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wmahmood PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
Secunia Official 17th Mar, 2017 10:50
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We love the passion and loyalty of those that have used Personal Software Inspector (PSI) 2.0 over the years! But the time for PSI 2.0 and earlier versions, to shut down has arrived. Please make sure you update to PSI 3 now to keep protecting your PC!

PSI continues to be the preferred free tool for PC users to maintain the applications with security updates that protect them from exploitation by hackers. We remain committed to maintain and develop this tool which has been downloaded by more the 8 million users globally.

PSI users must download the latest version of the tool by the end of March 2017 in order to continue receiving automatic security patches for their applications.

Frequently Asked Questions:

When is PSI 2.0 reaching end-of-life?
31 March 2017

What will happen after that day?
PSI 2.0 will no longer provide security patches for your PC and will not scan for new vulnerabilities.

How do I continue to have my machines protected with the latest security patches?
Download and install the latest version of PSI at http://secunia.com/PSISetup.exe


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klausus02 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Dear Waqas Mahmood,

when my attention was called to PSI 2.0 by german magazine c't years ago
I was happy about this very helpful peace of software.

Unfortunately PSI 3 does not have the same quality and usability like PSI 2.0.
Both Flexera/Secunia and most of the users you mentioned know that! In the past
this has been communicated to Secunia very often without being noticed by
Secunia Officials!

I like PSI 2.0 because it gives wide control to the user and it's not a "click-and-forget"
tool like PSI 3. So, why should users change to PSI 3? One alternative is to look for a different
tool not made by Flexera/Secunia, e.g. Qualys.

I would like to stay on PSI 2.0! So please think about shuting down PSI 2.0!
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millwood RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Here we go. I replace my working 2 with the latest 3 and it's stuck "Loading". In the log earlier I see:

[03/17 10:14:44.040] Connecting to psi3.secunia.com:443
[03/17 10:14:44.040] GET /psi_api/30011/?action=agent_data&uid=d1Nb5BVETNbc 800e96d13c7c4xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&ui=a gent&langroup=WORKGROUP&host=MARC-T530
[03/17 10:14:44.040] Request timeouts : 60000ms, 30000ms, 30000ms
[03/17 10:15:14.277] Connection error....
[03/17 10:15:14.277] Error in HttpRequest: status=499, statusText='The operation timed out',winCode=12002
[03/17 10:15:18.466] Disabling WoW64 filesystem redirection for scan
[03/17 10:15:18.466] localhost: Initializing Filesystem Inspector
[03/17 10:15:18.466] File Inspector initialized
[03/17 10:15:18.466] Scanning files
[03/17 10:15:18.466] No results to submit


The end of the log is many repeats of:

[03/17 10:22:25.078] Disabling WoW64 filesystem redirection for scan
[03/17 10:22:25.080] localhost: Initializing Filesystem Inspector
[03/17 10:22:25.081] File Inspector initialized
[03/17 10:22:25.082] Scanning files
[03/17 10:22:25.083] No results to submit
[03/17 10:22:25.665]
#4000(N)()
#4001(S)(5)
#5007(S)()
#4002(S)()
#5101(S)(1)
#10000(S)()
#4003(S)()
#5017(S)()


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klausus02 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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@Waqas Mahmood

If you think about shutting down PSI, you should seriously shut down PSI 3.

"Test first, decide second"

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klausus02 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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@Leendert Kip
...sorry .. a mistake on my part... you are right...



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throkr. RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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I'm using version 2.0.0.3003 since years now and I'm very satisfied with it. Reading this thread, I decided to give latest version 3 a try. I installed on top of version 2 and also made a completely "clean" install, both with the same result : PSI 3 stays loading and systray icon remains grey.
I really don't understand why version 2 is working fine while version 3 has obviously constant problems.
I reverted of course to my previous version 2 for the time being.

Before shutting down completely version 2, it would be highly appreciated to have a working version 3 available ... ;-)
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butter RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Same exact problem here. Will keep using PSI 2004003 until the 31st then see what happens. Wish they left well enough alone.
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joeadinolf RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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This is very disappointing to me and probably thousands of others.

The difference between Version 2 and version 3 is that version 2 works and version 3 doesn't.

With version 3 - when I try to load it - it just sits all day at loading and nothing else happens. You can see that complaint in this thread.

I was so happy to see that version 2 was still available and went back to it on all 5 of my computers.

Now version 2 will not be supported and I can't use version 3 and am now left with no alternative.

So sad.

I wish you would reconsider this move.
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Astronos RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Please dear Secunia/Flexera dont finish at 31. March 2017 this very good Verson 2 of Secunia PSI !!!
Best regards!
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cyrillick RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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I'm aghast at the decision to downgrade a very usable & useful PSI2.0 (mine is 2.0.0.4001) to a version PSI3.0, which has had most of the vital functionality stripped out and seems to be riddled with bugs. I have just spent two days trying to get PSI3.0 to work while searching in vain for the missing functions and only stopped when I couldn't see the monitor any longer through the tears of frustration.

I can only concur with Klausus02's suggestion that PSI3.0 is the version that should be thrown on the scrap heap. There may be a case for keeping it for naive users who don't know any better, but in the mean time is there anyone out there who knows of a reasonable substitute for PSI2.0. It doesn't have to be free.

My final thought is that substituting vsn 3.0 for vsn 2.0 for all the users who, like me, have really appreciated PSI2.0, is a very poor reward for the 'passion and loyalty ' that wmahood so rightly mentions.

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joeadinolf RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Well, I downloaded and installed V3.0 on one computer.
It has been sitting at "Loading" for three hours.

That's about it.
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Zorkoff RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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on 17th Mar, 2017 10:50, wmahmood wrote:
We love the passion and loyalty of those that have used Personal Software Inspector (PSI) 2.0 over the years! But the time for PSI 2.0 and earlier versions, to shut down has arrived.


Please explain WHY the shutdown date has arrived. PSI 2.0 is working, it does not need any maintenance, it is preferred by many users and I for one do not see why its time has come.


on 17th Mar, 2017 10:50, wmahmood wrote:
Frequently Asked Questions:

When is PSI 2.0 reaching end-of-life?
31 March 2017

What will happen after that day?
PSI 2.0 will no longer provide security patches for your PC and will not scan for new vulnerabilities.



I do not care about the security patches (I take care of them myself). Please expand what you mean by "will not scan for new vulnerabilities". Does this mean PSI 2.0 will no longer find out of date programs installed on my PC? What about Microsoft program updates and Flash Player updates?

Please be more forthcoming about what you are planning for the end of March 2017.

Your proposed replacement, PSI 3.0, is sorely lacking in so many ways, I can't believe you are abandoning PSI 2.0.

Thank you for considering my opinions on this topic.

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throkr. RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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PSI3 (3.0.0.11005) working fine now (on Win10 1607-Build 14393.953), see my post in this thread : https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftware.com/commun...

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cyrillick RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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An afterthought...

How about a little lateral thinking so as to expand the user base for PSI. Rename PSI3.0 as PSI-Lite and PSI2.0 as PSI-Pro. Even a small one-off charge for the latter would ease the blood-pressure problems as far as I'm concerned. I personally wouldn't seek any 'improvements' to PSI-Pro as it does the job as-is. Surely worth thinking about?

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joeadinolf RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Good idea BUT I'm sure the powers to be couldn't care less.
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throkr. RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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on 19th Mar, 2017 23:27, cyrillick wrote:
An afterthought...

How about a little lateral thinking so as to expand the user base for PSI. Rename PSI3.0 as PSI-Lite and PSI2.0 as PSI-Pro. Even a small one-off charge for the latter would ease the blood-pressure problems as far as I'm concerned. I personally wouldn't seek any 'improvements' to PSI-Pro as it does the job as-is. Surely worth thinking about?

cyrillick

Indeed not a bad idea but I doubt that Flexera follows this direction (unfortunately)...


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joeadinolf RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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I think that is what I said.
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blake707 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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I had the same problem, then I installed it to my Notebook and it worked ok, although it took some time (like 15 min) to come on. Then I thought I give it another go, and re-installed ver.3 - again it took ages to come on, and in the last 3 days it worked ok. I , like most of the users it seems like the ver 2 much more.
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mrgames2 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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I vote for 2. 3 is garbage. If 2 goes end of life and 3 is the only solution, it will be time for me to move on without secunia psi.
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colebantam RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Very, vey, very bad decision :(

Same problem as so many here -> installed v3 -> hangs! Version 2 works like a charm....
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millwood RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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My best guess is that among other improvements, PSI3 talks to the server on every interaction. The servers are clearly overloaded. Even this forum has performance problems! So the hangs have to do with servers being slow or not responding at all. I've watched this in the logs to I'm pretty sure that's what's going on.

Unless they respond, as more users are forced onto PSI3 it will get worse.
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khilker RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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All - thank you for the responses and feedback.

The engineering team is actively working on the PSI performance issue that some of you are experiencing, I will keep you updated as that improves.

Regarding the difference in features between 2.0 and 3.0, I am putting together a plan to help close those gaps. While we have been a little quiet in here lately, I wanted to assure you that your feedback is being heard. Please keep the constructive, detailed requests coming in!

Ken Hilker
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abeloffv RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Very nice to hear that there may be some hope. I like many others here vastly prefer v2. I tried v3 a few times and have always uninstalled and gone back to v2. v2 is one of the first things I install when I get a new laptop of desktop.

The more v3 resembles the features and functions of v2 the happier I will be.

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throkr. RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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on 20th Mar, 2017 23:19, abeloffv wrote:
Very nice to hear that there may be some hope...... The more v3 resembles the features and functions of v2 the happier I will be.

Totally agree with that.


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joeadinolf RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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on 20th Mar, 2017 22:54, khilker wrote:
All - thank you for the responses and feedback.

The engineering team is actively working on the PSI performance issue that some of you are experiencing, I will keep you updated as that improves.

Regarding the difference in features between 2.0 and 3.0, I am putting together a plan to help close those gaps. While we have been a little quiet in here lately, I wanted to assure you that your feedback is being heard. Please keep the constructive, detailed requests coming in!

Ken Hilker
Sr. Product Manager
Flexera Software


Thank you sooooo much for giving us hope.

This is most appreciated.
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richardfromstony RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Like others I have been a 2.0 fan and see no need for change. However to strike a positive note after many hangs with 'Loading', my version 3 is now working. For me the trick was to be patient, but when there was no activity shown by Task Manager for about 5 minutes, I re-booted. This happened two or three times, but seems to have fixed it in the end.
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klausus02 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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on 20th Mar, 2017 22:54, khilker wrote:
All - thank you for the responses and feedback.

The engineering team is actively working on the PSI performance issue that some of you are experiencing, I will keep you updated as that improves.

Regarding the difference in features between 2.0 and 3.0, I am putting together a plan to help close those gaps. While we have been a little quiet in here lately, I wanted to assure you that your feedback is being heard. Please keep the constructive, detailed requests coming in!

Ken Hilker
Sr. Product Manager
Flexera Software


Dear Ken Hilker,
as I already suggested you should seriously shut down PSI 3. This is the easiest solution for your engineering team!

I don't see any need for a plan putting something together: I cannot see any benefits of PSI 3.0 over PSI 2.0. May be you can explan this?
It has been already asked by cyrillick to explain WHY the shutdown date has arrived for PSI 2.0!

-regards
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mrgames2 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Let's be frank about this. 3 has sucked since it came out. Has it been a couple of years now? So now you're going to make it better? My guess is this. My guess is version 2 was contracted and coded by an outside company, and you are now reaching the end of contract, or time you are allowed to use and offer the software. I am guessing version 3 was coded by an inside department, or a much, much cheaper software vendor.

You are basically saying, "we don't care what our users think We're going to do this thing anyway".

That never ends well
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millwood RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Another possibility. Like it or not, most users probably "upgraded" when PSI3 came out and, not being power users, had no problem with it. It appears to use different servers that PSI2, so maybe Secunia has decided to shut down the PSI2 servers for lack of sufficient use and to stop the dual support costs. Note that there has been no software development expenditure on the PSI2 client "forever", so that "cost" is non-existent.

In any case, it's best to hope for and encourage the best rather than throwing rocks which can't possible help.
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GTX2GvO RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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If PSI 3 will be the only option after march 31st, without any possibility of using PSI 2 anymore then I will stop using PSI.

Ver 3 just doesn't do what I want.

- My ignore rules are all folder rules, not file rules v3 doesn't do folder rules iirc.
- The interface of v2 is superior to that of v3. I'm a poweruser, not a numbskull!
- Didn't even bothered checking v3 beyond this point. It's simply too big of an insult to the v2 users.
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rusty.07 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Why the heck are we doing away with the great functionality of version 2 in favor of the horrible user-interface of version 3 ???

Shame on the powers that be for pushing upon us what appears to be Secunia's equivalent of Windows 10.
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L1NGUS RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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I have been happily using Secunia PSI v2.0.0.3003 for years and years and forever.

Change just for change's sake is never an intelligent move. I would like to know the particulars behind the decision to shelve PSI v2. I seriously doubt you can offer any effective reasoning that would support such a blunder, but I am willing to listen.

Should you decide to continue with this strategy, you will only serve to alienate your loyal subscriber base - a group of knowledgeable computer enthusiasts to say the very least. You must be aware that word of this plan, an action that is opposed by so many, if not a majority of PSI users, will not be restricted to this forum. Why tarnish your good name?

Best advice? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

You and the rest of us have so much to lose and very little if nothing at all to gain.

PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR DECISION TO DO AWAY WITH PSI V2.

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sldysart RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Please add my name to the chorus of users disappointed by your decision to retire a stable and functional product before a comparable replacement is available.

I have tried version 3 a few times and found many of the colors used in the screen layouts to be quite pleasing. (Mama told me to say something nice.) Other than that, version 2 is a far superior product that I have repeatedly returned to for the same reasons others have discussed in detail.

I am pleased that you are considering adding some of the lost functionality back into the current version. I strongly encourage you to extend support for the legacy version until those enhancements are operative. Otherwise, I suspect many of us will go off in search of alternatives, reluctant to ever return.

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unknownguy RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Is this a joke? I have been using PSI a longer time now.
When 3.0 come out I tested it and it was loading forever and I didn't like the UI and missing features.
Then I choose to use 2.0 because that was the version I love so much, with so many features and easy to update programs.


If this is going to be true which I don't want to be true, I will leave flexarasoftware/Secunia and search for a better tool.
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peterspragge RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Like many people on this thread, I have had months when PSI 3 would not load and PSI 2 worked. I had seen on another thread that there might be a conflict with Malwarebytes so today I got round to removing all traces of Malwarebytes. Then PSI 3 worked and has continued to work

when I re-installed Malwarebytes - a later version, 3.0.6
when I re-installed Malware Anti-Exploit
when I turned off the Malwarebytes Premium free trial.

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PetervdM RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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please do not eol psi 2.0! psi 3.0 is not an alternative, you have almost no control.
pleas reconsider.
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Like many people on this thread, I have had months when PSI 3 would not work although PSI 2 would. I had read on another thread that Malwarebytes might interfere with PSI 3.0 and I finally got round to removing Malwarebytes. Whereupon PSI 3 worked like a dream. I do not know whether this was a coincidence or whether it will be sustained and I do not know what will happen if I re-install Malwarebytes.

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Can I add to the VERY disappointing news that V2.4003 is to be shutdown at the end of March. It is FAR superior to anything V3 has to offer. Why not fix V3 to everyones satisfaction to equal the facilities of V2 and then and ONLY then eol V2. Less than 10 days notice is most unacceptable, when the solution is vastly inferior to what the majority of people want and have enjoyed.

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You may be lucky if you re-install Malwarebytes. I am running version 2.2.1.1043, and I am experiencing no problems with PSI 3.0.
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on 23rd Mar, 2017 15:41, RayG wrote:
... Why not fix V3 to everyones satisfaction to equal the facilities of V2 and then and ONLY then eol V2...


In the meantime I'm firmly convinced that Flexera/Secunia will never fix anything. The costs for the engineering team would be simply to high.
And why fix PSI 3.0 ? Existing PSI 2.0 has all facilities, already!

@Flexera/Secunia Officials
There are only 7 days left until shutdown of PSI 2.0. Is it realy that challenging to roll back your plan?
I apologize, but little by little it is getting more difficult for me to suppress the feeling of being fooled by Flexera.

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Please allow me to add my voice to those who think this decision is a terrible idea.

I am really a conscientious customer, and I very much appreciate a free product/service. It gives me a sense of security that is worth... well, a lot. And I was trying to do my darnedest best to follow your instructions/recommendations.

But PSI 3 has never been anything but a disappointment. When I installed it on a brand new system: Windows 10 Enterprise on an 8-core Xeon with 32 GB RAM ant a 150 Mbps Internet connection... it was slower than slow. It was sluggishness personified. But I endured. I grit my teeth and soldiered on... until one day, PSI 3 stopped working altogether. No updating. Broken everything. Uninstall/reinstall didn't help. So I gave up, reinstalled 2.0 (manually killing an installation process that never fully completed) and started it... and I was back in PSI heaven. A nice, snappy, USEFUL, responsive interface. Control over what I am doing. And no failures.

And now you are shutting it down? Someone suggested that you should be shutting down PSI 3 instead, as compared to PSI 2, it has never been anything but a failed product. A never ending beta test.

For what it's worth, I'd be more than willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee to be able continue using PSI 2 or a functional equivalent.

Please reconsider.
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on 23rd Mar, 2017 21:47, vttoth wrote:
Please allow me to add my voice to those who think this decision is a terrible idea.

I am really a conscientious customer, and I very much appreciate a free product/service. It gives me a sense of security that is worth... well, a lot. And I was trying to do my darnedest best to follow your instructions/recommendations.

But PSI 3 has never been anything but a disappointment. When I installed it on a brand new system: Windows 10 Enterprise on an 8-core Xeon with 32 GB RAM ant a 150 Mbps Internet connection... it was slower than slow. It was sluggishness personified. But I endured. I grit my teeth and soldiered on... until one day, PSI 3 stopped working altogether. No updating. Broken everything. Uninstall/reinstall didn't help. So I gave up, reinstalled 2.0 (manually killing an installation process that never fully completed) and started it... and I was back in PSI heaven. A nice, snappy, USEFUL, responsive interface. Control over what I am doing. And no failures.

And now you are shutting it down? Someone suggested that you should be shutting down PSI 3 instead, as compared to PSI 2, it has never been anything but a failed product. A never ending beta test.

For what it's worth, I'd be more than willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee to be able continue using PSI 2 or a functional equivalent.

Please reconsider.


I had a similar experience, I used Version 3 when it was released and used it for years but had so many problems with it. My Googling suggested that I use Version 2 which I did for all 5 of my computers. That was just a few weeks ago and all of a sudden Version 2 has approached end of life.

It's really my fault folks because I am one of the unluckiest people on earth. I know...I know... Just blame me if we lose it.
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FRAC42 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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If the management at Flexera really loves our the passion and loyalty then there is only one reasonable way to act:

* Bring PSI 3 to end of life
* Maintain the far superior PSI 2

If it actually should happen vice versa and I'm urged to downgrade to the inferior version 3 I rather will look for an alternative solution. I have tried PSI 3 several times in the past, but it hardly ever survived longer than a few hours on any PC given its limited functionality and clumsy UI.

Trying to add features to PSI 3 sounds odd to me. There is so much missing in PSI 3 compared to PSI 2 that this would be a waste of time, given PSI 2 works perfectly well while PSI 3 does not.

I also would pay to keep PSI 2, because this version is of so much value for me. But I wouldn't give a penny for PSI 3.
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Same here and I hope Flexera sees this.

Thanks for the post.
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butter RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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I have done what some have suggested and uninstalled PSI 2 and uninstalled malwarebytes and then installed PSI 3 still doesn't get past loading and icon is grayed out. Now uninstalled PSI 3 and reinstalled malwarebytes and PSI 2. Using Windows 7. Now when you scan with PSI 2 it is already showing end of life. This is not good. I like others have used PSI 2 for years and years without a problem. Anyway just adding to others.
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IByteTRB RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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Why would you discontinue PSI 2? I'd imagine it uses the same backend system. I think it would be a really poor decision to discontinue it. For users who care about security as well as control/configurability (and you'll find there is quite a lot of overlap between the groups), PSI 2 is the way to go, PSI 3 just won't do for the knowledgeable home user (you know, those with actual IT jobs and qualifications). Please don't treat them as dumb, but give them back control over the systems they own. I'll have to look for alternative solutions if we're left with only PSI3 as it is now.
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on 23rd Mar, 2017 21:47, vttoth wrote:
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And now you are shutting it down? Someone suggested that you should be shutting down PSI 3 instead, as compared to PSI 2, it has never been anything but a failed product. A never ending beta test.

For what it's worth, I'd be more than willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee to be able continue using PSI 2 or a functional equivalent.
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on 23rd Mar, 2017 23:28, FRAC42 wrote:
... Trying to add features to PSI 3 sounds odd to me. There is so much missing in PSI 3 compared to PSI 2 that this would be a waste of time, given PSI 2 works perfectly well while PSI 3 does not.

I also would pay to keep PSI 2, because this version is of so much value for me. But I wouldn't give a penny for PSI 3.



Why should I pay for the long existing product PSI 2.0 ?? I will never do so, exept Flexera were able to give convincing arguments e.g. maintenance costs.

@Maurice Joyce and Anthony Wells
Are you following this discussion, by chance?

Can you give some advice for an alternative product?

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I will NOT be paying for Secunia 2.0 if they decide to keep it but charge for it.
I will not switch to PSI 3.0 if they discontinue 2.0

Instead, I will manually keep my software updated and/or use the apps mentioned below:

https://lifehacker.com/the-best-app-updater-for-wi...
https://lifehacker.com/5384140/five-best-software-...
https://www.belarc.com/products_belarc_advisor
http://www.kcsoftwares.com/index.php?sumo
https://ninite.com/
http://filehippo.com/download_app_manager

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Hello All ,

I am sure Maurice is keeping a benevolent eye on us . As for this thread , Waqas in his OP seems clear(ish) that the PSI version 2.0. will :

1. no longer offer patches - no loss to me there as they are only a very last resort .
2. no longer scan for new vulnerabilities ; which seems to mean that your/the last scan will become a fixed point and a "new" scan if it seems to occur or not will be irrelevant .

There is a Ken Hilker who works for Flexera Software but I am not sure why , if it is he , he is posting as an individual in the middle of an ongoing thread of such importance in this laid back fashion .

Whatever , Flexera is supposedly monitoring this thread , a first for several years !! and someone may have more to add before the EOL cut off .

There are alternatives to the PSI but not it's equivalent .

My advice would be that if 3.0. works on your system then use it for a weekly and/or on demand scan but only/if ever use it's "auto-updating/patching" as a very , very last resort . This feature was only developed for the newcomer who didn't/wouldn't/couldn't update their software/apps .I am not aware that they have perfected this nor passed a "Beta" level with 3.0.0. Secunia used to be in agreement that a third party updater :eg: the PSI was always last resort for applying patches . As I understand , most of those original developers/employees have moved on .

I hope Flexera will update this thread but from past experience , do not hold your breath .

EDIT: Make a copy of your post before hitting the "Reply" button as this site has (re) started logging (me) off at this/that moment :(((((

Take care

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on 24th Mar, 2017 07:04, L1NGUS wrote:
I will NOT be paying for Secunia 2.0 if they decide to keep it but charge for it.

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I am willing to pay for PSI 2 a reasonable price. Why?

* I pay for value, not for the effort to create that value. And PSI 2 has a lot of value for me - which PSI 3 is lacking.
* Beyond that I do understand, that operating and maintaining the infrastructure which provides PSI 2 with information about updates does cause efforts and cost to Flexera.
* I can imagine that PSI 2 might need some severe SW engineering under the hood before Flexera developers can take over the code and maintain even the client we install on our PCs.
* I expect my employer to pay me a fair salary. I guess the Flexera employees which take care of PSI have similar expectations.

So - as much as I appreciate to get something for free: I'm willing to pay for PSI 2 given the value it does provide to me. But I'm not willing to pay for PSI 3, I don't even want to use it for free.

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on 24th Mar, 2017 14:02, FRAC42 wrote:
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* Beyond that I do understand, that operating and maintaining the infrastructure which provides PSI 2 with information about updates does cause efforts and cost to Flexera.


The infrastructure already exists since 20th December 2010. And when Secunia has been acquired by Flexera in September 2015 Flexera got all this infrastucture for free. So what are you talking about? And by the way until now I haven't read not any statement by Flexera to this point.


on 24th Mar, 2017 14:02, FRAC42 wrote:

* I can imagine that PSI 2 might need some severe SW engineering under the hood before Flexera developers can take over the code and maintain even the client we install on our PCs.


For an efficient product there is no need do some severe SW engineering! So the costs will tend to ZERO.

But anyway, we should stop making wild guesses. We have no information about the internal structure of Flexera!

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on 24th Mar, 2017 12:14, Anthony Wells wrote:

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There is a Ken Hilker who works for Flexera Software but I am not sure why , if it is he , he is posting as an individual in the middle of an ongoing thread of such importance in this laid back fashion .

Whatever , Flexera is supposedly monitoring this thread , a first for several years !! and someone may have more to add before the EOL cut off .
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I hope Flexera will update this thread but from past experience , do not hold your breath .

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We should keep this in our mind!

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Actions speak louder than words.

The fact that so many people still use v2 after v3 has been available for over three years shows that users find it valuable. And the fact that Flexera is killing that version off shows that "We love the passion and loyalty of those that have used Personal Software Inspector (PSI) 2.0 over the years!" is just empty marketing speak.

I, along with many others from what I can see here, will not be downgrading to the all-but-useless v.3. If v.2 goes away, then I'll uninstall it and find something else to use. I might vote with my wallet if something with the functionality of v.2 were made available at a reasonable cost, but since I doubt it will I'll just vote with my feet and say farewell to what used to be a must-have piece of software.


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FRAC42 RE: PSI 2.0 is end-of-life, upgrade to the latest version!
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on 24th Mar, 2017 17:33, klausus02 wrote:
The infrastructure already exists since 20th December 2010. And when Secunia has been acquired by Flexera in September 2015 Flexera got all this infrastucture for free. So what are you talking about? And by the way until now I haven't read not any statement by Flexera to this point.


For an efficient product there is no need do some severe SW engineering! So the costs will tend to ZERO.


Interesting remarks. How do you know how much Flexera did pay for the infrastructure assets when they took over Secunia?

Anyway - just getting a server, whether for money or not, does not help much. Software vendors continuously change the way they provide version information and update downloads. Someone needs to take care of this and maintain the data on the servers behind PSI 2. And every here and then these servers might need some maintenance and repair. I guess the folks providing such services at Flexera don't do that for free.

Nevertheless - all this is not the real reason I'm willing to pay for PSI 2 if it's kept alive. PSI 2 has a high value for me. And if something is of value for me I'm willing to pay. Other people might judge differently, that's fine for me.

And now let's please focus on convincing Flexera that they should shut down the weaker version of their product (which is PSI 3 IMHO) and keep the better version (good, old PSI 2) alive!
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Just wanted to add my voice to the crowd that this is a really disappointing decision. I can't remember how long I've been using PSI 2 for, except that I started using it well before PSI 3 was available. I remember upgrading to PSI 3 when it first came out, finding it sorely lacking, and downgrading back to PSI 2. I just tried PSI 3 again, and sadly, not much seems to have changed.

Flexera, I doubt anyone here is opposed to upgrading in principle (after all, the point of PSI is to ensure we upgrade installed software which has known vulnerabilities!), but when you're forcing an upgrade to a newer release which is missing substantial functionality which the older version has, it shouldn't come as a surprise there's going to be a lot of unhappy users! Can you please reconsider, at least until PSI 3 is given some love and brought up to feature parity with the venerable PSI 2?
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Terribly disappointed in this.

I have been using 3.0 for sometime on Windows 10 but this week it suddenly stopped working. I've spent hours trying to figure out why. The tray icon always shows grey but the program itself is correctly finding things that need updating. Trouble is without the tray reporting to me, its not much worth.

So I decided to revert back to PSI 2 and found out it is no longer supported. Arggh! So you get rid of the one version that really worked. Not much sense in this. Please put more time into fixing PSI 3.0 then.

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9 days ago Flexera announced the EOS of PSI 2.0. And within 9 days there were written 60 replies to this topic. But only 2 comments have been written by Flexera (until now I don't know who these Flexera guys realy are..):

on 17th Mar, 2017 10:50, wmahmood wrote:
We love the passion and loyalty of those that have used Personal Software Inspector (PSI) 2.0 over the years!
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PSI continues to be the preferred free tool for PC users to maintain the applications with security updates that protect them from exploitation by hackers. We remain committed to maintain and develop this tool which has been downloaded by more the 8 million users globally.

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on 20th Mar, 2017 22:54, khilker wrote:
All - thank you for the responses and feedback.
... I will keep you updated as that improves
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While we have been a little quiet in here lately, I wanted to assure you that your feedback is being heard. Please keep the constructive, detailed requests coming in!

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Are Flexera's comments serious? Or is Flexera tricking us? Do they realy think what they wrote?
I expect more from Flexera than emty phrases! Or am I expecting to much correponding to Anthony Wells?

@Flexera Officials
What is ths status quo?

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I guess you can't keep beating a dead horse but at least we all keep trying. There is much to say about that.
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Klaus,
Sorry for the delay in answering your query but have been in hospital. How are you? I am indeed following this very interesting thread. I was hoping and still hope that Flexera Support from the USA will issue a statement before the 31st March on:

1.All the comments,questions and suggestions made so far and give a detailed list of improvements they intend making with a timeline to completion for PSI 3 which many would argue is still in BETA. For a 'magical' experience it relies on SPS which is so unpredictable it could also be deemed to still being in BETA.
2.Whether they are prepared to keep PSI 2 open until such time as PSI 3 is fit for purpose. I would suggest PSI 2.0.0.3003 gives the most detail and has the least amount of bugs for members to use as an interim or better still a permanent basis.
3.When they are going to fix their servers so that the likes of @vttoth can benefit from the vast monetary outlay in purchasing top of the range PCs and ongoing costs to support ultra fast internet speeds. A snail is faster than the speed currently offered by Flexera which may well be part of the trouble experienced by many using PSI and navigating the ex Secunia element of their website and the Forums.

As you know I do not use PSI on a regular basis because I do not like the modus operandi employed in informing users of vulnerabilities and prefer to use my own method which has always kept me safe. I published it on this Forum a few years ago and if you think it would be helpful to you personally I will happily update and republish it as a new thread in open discussions.

In your case Qualys as you stated remains a good choice as a starter - they are top of the range & big hitters in the world of vulnerability checking but their free version concentrates on attacks via the browser and windows OS. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualys

As for other matters:

Much of what I see on this thread has been asked and answered in the distant past. For example they have made it crystal clear on more than one occasion that they will never produce a paid for version of PSI nor will they rename versions to indicate the level of expertise required to use it.

Based on this thread it looks like Flexera Support are no different to the old Secunia - extremely arrogant, boastful about their status in the vulnerability world, economic with precise detail and rude in not answering valid questions.

Waqas Mahmood who is in Denmark claims his job is Flexera Software Support - what is he supporting? There has been no support on the Forum for paying CSI customers or for hard pressed PSI users for over a year. Despite firm promises made by Secunia in the past the readership were not informed in advance that they were carrying out maintenance on the servers recently. It was not until many were having difficulty connecting that support belatedly told us that yet again they had made a cock up when tinkering with a 24 inch screwdriver.
Call that support?

Am not convinced Ken Hilter is a Flexera employee. To suggest the presence of any support has been quiet lately is a massive understatement - for over a year the ex Secunia staff have totally ignored the forums and without any notification have also closed all email contact.

Why does he require a plan to make PSI3 more acceptable? I have a list of 52 excellent suggestions made by members on the Forum dating back to BETA days. All he needs to do is ask the ex Secunia staff in Denmark for their log file on improvement requests and sort it out rather than fobbing us off like Secunia staff have in the past.

If he has been taking notes from the Forum why has he not had the good manners to thank individuals? Sounds like a cock and bull story to me.

There has been no updates for PSI since 2015 so I doubt anything meaningful will be released before the 31st if ever.

If they go ahead with the outrageous plan to close PSI 2 when PSI 3 is known to be so unreliable it might be a good idea to tell us:

1. If and when they are going to reopen the email link for members as per the contact detail in the FAQ - https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftware.com/suppor... - https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftware.com/suppor...
2.Whether they are going to reintroduce proper timely and professional Forum support
3.The end date for updating the seriously misleading, inaccurate and woefully out of date details in the FAQ and User Manual so the users can try a bit of self help.

In conclusion I agree with Anthony, who has also been long term helper, it is highly unlikely Flexera will reverse their decision or bother to answer all the information requested on this thread.l

Shame on them if they do not.

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Maurice,
good to read from you. And thanks a lot for your comment.

on 25th Mar, 2017 17:35, Maurice Joyce wrote:
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As you know I do not use PSI on a regular basis because I do not like the modus operandi employed in informing users of vulnerabilities and prefer to use my own method which has always kept me safe. I published it on this Forum a few years ago and if you think it would be helpful to you personally I will happily update and republish it as a new thread in open discussions.

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I think this would be very helpful to each of us looking for alternatives.


on 25th Mar, 2017 17:35, Maurice Joyce wrote:

Based on this thread it looks like Flexera Support are no different to the old Secunia - extremely arrogant, boastful about their status in the vulnerability world, economic with precise detail and rude in not answering valid questions.

Waqas Mahmood who is in Denmark claims his job is Flexera Software Support - what is he supporting? There has been no support on the Forum for paying CSI customers or for hard pressed PSI users for over a year. Despite firm promises made by Secunia in the past the readership were not informed in advance that they were carrying out maintenance on the servers recently. It was not until many were having difficulty connecting that support belatedly told us that yet again they had made a cock up when tinkering with a 24 inch screwdriver.
Call that support?

Am not convinced Ken Hilter is a Flexera employee. To suggest the presence of any support has been quiet lately is a massive understatement - for over a year the ex Secunia staff have totally ignored the forums and without any notification have also closed all email contact.

Why does he require a plan to make PSI3 more acceptable? I have a list of 52 excellent suggestions made by members on the Forum dating back to BETA days. All he needs to do is ask the ex Secunia staff in Denmark for their log file on improvement requests and sort it out rather than fobbing us off like Secunia staff have in the past.

If he has been taking notes from the Forum why has he not had the good manners to thank individuals? Sounds like a cock and bull story to me.

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"As you know I do not use PSI on a regular basis because I do not like the modus operandi employed in informing users of vulnerabilities and prefer to use my own method which has always kept me safe. I published it on this Forum a few years ago and if you think it would be helpful to you personally I will happily update and republish it as a new thread in open discussions."

Please republish it, Maurice.

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Be nice, guys.
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This is a sad day indeed.

I have used both versions of PSI in the past and have always had to revert to version 2 because 3 never loaded or worked. Version 3 also does not supply desired information about each program that I use in order to determine if I really need an update or has it found something that I totally do not need or desire to have installed on my system.

There is total control over programs and updates with version 2, unlike version 3.

Please, please, please (down on knees begging) do not do away with version 2.

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This message is for Maurice Joyce ... Thank you. Thank you for your support and your timeless dedication to this product over the years. Your help has been very appreciated. Unfortunately I have decided to abandon PSI Secunia, as product no longer works. I have found another product that seems to work and is properly supported. It is at a cost but I gladly pay it.

I wish you well Maurice. I don't think Flexera is really interested in supporting the users of PSI, so consequently I will ensure that in my professional role (in a large financial institute in Canada), that I will do everything possible to NOT allow Flexera software a place in our toolset.

Farewell.
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Yes, I've been using PSI for over 8 years and this is a sad day. PSI 2 was great. PSI 3 has been a awful since day 1. They are shutting down the wrong one.

Please Maurice, do republish your method. We would all like to know.

Also, suggestions for ny good alternative products to PSI would be welcome.
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I haven't read all the messages here, but I very much doubt there's any praise for version 3. Like others, I reverted to version 2 immediately, and wondered what Secunia were thinking. Now I'm asking what Flexera are thinking.

If the offer to produce an improved version is genuine, please prove so by postponing the end-of-life for version 2 until it's ready.
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on 25th Mar, 2017 23:11, WarningU2 wrote:
This message is for Maurice Joyce ... Thank you. Thank you for your support and your timeless dedication to this product over the years. Your help has been very appreciated. Unfortunately I have decided to abandon PSI Secunia, as product no longer works. I have found another product that seems to work and is properly supported. It is at a cost but I gladly pay it.

I wish you well Maurice. I don't think Flexera is really interested in supporting the users of PSI, so consequently I will ensure that in my professional role (in a large financial institute in Canada), that I will do everything possible to NOT allow Flexera software a place in our toolset.

Farewell.



WarningU2, could you post a link to that software?

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@all
I explored my 2 computers in detail to see whether I really need a tool like PSI.

Most of my current software comes with a auto-update mechanism for which PSI isn't necessary,
e.g.:
Microsoft
Firefox/Mozilla
VLC
Java
a.o.

I found only 3 programs without a working auto-update mechanism:
FlashPlayer
LibreOffice
FoxitReader

All over the years I'm using PSI I used it because of comfort. But, what if a tool like PSI wouldn't exist?
We had to take care ourselves for security updates (I my case for only 3 programs).
And that wouldn't be such a great job!

But I am not sure. And exactly this uncertainty is the big business for Flexera. For companies they sell CSI
for a high pricing: $3,375 (one year, one user, 100 hosts) in 2014.

So I suggest, we should make a list of software with unreliable auto-update.
Would this be a good idea? What do you think?

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Klaus,
There is still a few days to go for Flexera to see common sense and reverse the decision to close PSI 2. After the deadline has passed without resolution and when I know whether I am being readmiited to hospital I will publish my preferred method as requested.

It Is a free service, there is nothing to download and users are notified by email when the VENDOR of the programmes you register has released an update. A download link from the vendor site iincluded in the email is then used to safely update your PC.

I will try to publish more details including how to set things up in early April to see if it is of any value to those requesting publication.

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on 26th Mar, 2017 14:28, Maurice Joyce wrote:
... I will publish my preferred method as requested.
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I will try to publish more details including how to set things up in early April to see if it is of any value to those requesting publication.

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Maurice,
this is a great idea!

Wish you all the best for not being readmitted...

Klaus
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Well as people are asking... (not sure if this will remain visible)

The software I have found is SUMo: http://www.kcsoftwares.com/?download

I tried the lite version of SUMo and DUMo and decided SUMo is a better alternative than PSI 3 version

The lite versions are free to use however you get prompted frequently to buy. As I am a believer of compensating people for good work .. I've purchased a life time license for $60 Cdn.

That allows you to download the update from vendor or their site and stops the nagging.

I have found an error with one of their flags. I sent them an email to advise of a false positive and received a response almost immediately.

I'm impressed.

Farewell Secunia I knew thee well.


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Nice choice. Only a Secunia Official or I can delete threads and posts within a thread. Your post is security related a helpful given the tone of this thread so there is no reason Flexera should remove it.

Take care.

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on 26th Mar, 2017 18:57, WarningU2 wrote:
... The software I have found is SUMo: http://www.kcsoftwares.com/?download

I tried the lite version of SUMo and DUMo and decided SUMo is a better alternative than PSI 3 version
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I have found an error with one of their flags.

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As Maurice wrote, nice software. But I miss flagging because of vulnerabilities, only.
Perfoming updates is not always necessary...

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on 26th Mar, 2017 18:57, WarningU2 wrote:
I tried the lite version of SUMo and DUMo and decided SUMo is a better alternative than PSI 3 version


Yet. Still inferior to PSI2.

Tried SUMo as well and it doesn't allow Folder exclusions nor drive exclusions.
(I only need it to scan the C: drive, other drives shouldn't even be looked at)
So it's stuck with the SAME program only exclusion method as PSI3 has.

Also settings seem to be near to non-existant and/or all over the place.

The overview looked nice though, but appeared as if information was lacking.

Needed around ten minutes to decide to drop SUMo off my system again.
For me, It's not an alternative to PSI2.
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I have to agree with the others who have responded negatively about the end of v.2.0. Like the others, I have tried v.3.0 and 3.8. Also like the others, the program would hang on "loading". Version 2.0 just works. Please do not pull a Microsoft on your users by forcing us to upgrade to a program that doesn't work as well as its predecessor.

I have used Secunia PSI since v.1.0, upgraded to 2.0 and was highly satisfied, tried 3.0 when it first came out, and gave it up as a bad job.

Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit.
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No more comments anyone?

Given up?

Please don't
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I for one have adinoff. Version 2 now has an ad in it and lists itself as end of life. There is a good chance they are purposely trying to reduce their userbase to reduce the server load. I already uninstalled on one computer using Geek uninstaller. It left four folders behind that Geek cleaned up. My fans come on less often.

It was a good run, but even version 2 was never really perfect. Like the way it would flag zombie files left behind after browser upgrades. Or would sometimes flag an element inside a program that you couldn't patch in any way, yet still offer to do it for you. Like once it flagged a version of python used in Prey, from the Prey Project and there was no vendor update but the Secunia solution was to install a new version of python?

Anyway the fat lady has sung. It's over.
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on 28th Mar, 2017 01:25, joeadinolf wrote:
No more comments anyone?

Given up?

Please don't


What else can we say? It is unlikely that we'll change Flexera's decision. They probably have good business reasons to retire PSI 2.

For what it's worth, I reinstalled PSI 3 on a Windows 10 machine. So far... so so. It kind of works. But just today, its icon went gray. When I opened the UI (and waited the requisite half hour or whatever for it to actually open) I found out that the last scan was done on March 24 (when I reinstalled it). I initiated a manual scan. Icon is green again. Kind of okay, but why did I have to do the scan manually?

And that reminded me that it is exactly how it began failing the last time... at first, gray icon and manual scans, later an ever more sluggish, unresponsive UI, until at one point I gave up and reinstalled PSI 2. Which worked just fine, they way it was supposed to.

So while I am doubtful that our pleas would have any meaningful effect, let me repeat my plea: please don't discontinue support for PSI 2. It is a far more mature, far more valuable product than PSI 3 ever was. At this point, the only flaw of which I am aware is that its installer never terminates on Windows 10; but the installation itself is useful and complete (although when you attempt to uninstall it, Windows will tell you that it thinks it's not installed properly.) Ideally, it'd be nice to see this issue fixed, but I can live with a botched installer... The features of PSI 2, on the other hand, are hard to replace, as none of the other products that I looked at have quite the same feature sets.
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My use of PSI goes back to my old XP about 10 years ago. I've tried Version 3 several times on my Windows 7 and have ALWAYS gone back to Version 2. I don't know when the last time I tried Version 3 was so I don't recall what I did not like about it. I do remember I did not like the looks of the interface.

I had put Version 3 on a neighbor's PC when I set their PC up about a year ago. They were not happy with it. It was the first time they had used PSI so they had no previous version to compare it to.

PLEASE DUMP V3 !!
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GTX2GvO: I will agree that SUMO is rather limited when it comes to options for control on where to look for programs that need updating......but it sure as heck beats PSI with finding those programs.

I ran SUMO on both my system and my husbands system and found 28 programs on my system and 17 on my husbands system that were needing updates.

Now even with PSI I do not use the "Go Get Update" feature in the program but rather go to the source to check for updates.

With SUMO I was also able to determine that I had not used several programs since purchasing the system 5 years ago. PSI never said that these programs had new versions or needed updating.

I found I could uninstall several non-used programs (8), update 12 programs and put 8 more programs in the ignore list.

Yes, SUMO may need some additional features for better control but I most definitely like it for it's robust searching and finding of programs that need updating.
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@Waqas Mahmood

now, we have only 3 days left before we reach EOL. And until now all users of
PSI 2.0 are waiting for explanatory notes about the reason. And until now Flexera
didn't think it worth participting to this thread!

How should we user interpret Flexera's handling with this topic? Isn't Flexera
worried about their reputation?
Perpaps it is a matter of experience. The respect for us, the users of PSI 2.0,
commands not to put us off.

I feel that Flexera has taken an arbitrary decision to define this EOL. This decision
seems not to be rational.

Waqas Mahmood, are you able to explain the reasons for defining this EOL, which was never
mentioned in the past?

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Hi to all,

I'm using SUMo since a very, very long time now and truly think that it is THE updater to have. I have ALL my programs in it and never miss an update. That's the main advantage of this software : the user can include himself every program he wants (even Adobe Flash Players) except MS components. That's where PSI comes in the game. I use it since version 1.
In other words : I rely on SUMo for all normal program updates. it is his job. PSI is a vulnerability checker,that's his job. But I certainly don't rely on him for "normal updates" because his database will only be updated if users ask for it. But if a Windows component is insecure for some reason, he will/should notice it. SUMo will not : it's not the meaning.
Therefore SUMo and PSI are excellent complements to me. That's why, at this present moment, they will, of course, NOT replace each other. Personally, if Flexera continues this way, drops down the amazing PSI version 2 without even improving version 3, I'm thinking about simply uninstalling the PSI from my computers.I could easily live without it BUT I will certainly never stop using SUMo.

Another excellent point for SUMo : the support. If you have a request or an issue, post in their forums or even contact the developer directly and in both cases you'll get a fast reply.I already made a donation when the paid version didn't even exist and after so many satisfied years with this software, I'll probably buy a lifetime licence now. Not that I need the extra features (I never use "auto" updates of a software)but simply to thank the developer for an outstanding piece of software and support.
I won't lose much words about support from the past Secunia and now Flexera : this LONG thread without any reaction from a responsible person up to now says it all! (Thank you Klausus02 for mentioning this already in your post above).
I'm really deeply disappointed with Flexera's policy, it's simply a total lack of respect towards us, users.

That's all for now; sorry for this long post, doesn't happen very often to me but the situation deserves it.
Thanks to all for your time if you read this until this final point.

Take care and be nice. :-)

Edit : My apologies for ... the edits. :-)

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I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I have been a long time user of PSI version 2.0.0.4003. When version 3 first came out I tried it and had many problems. I looked at the forum at the time for solutions and there was page after page of issues so the best solution for me and my family was to revert back to version 2. It has worked well for my computer and other family members computers on which I installed it. I noticed on the current forums that people are still having too many issues with version 3 so I never have had any incentive to upgrade (well really a downgrade) to version 3. Version 2 is just a superior product. I hope that Flexera will take the comments and recommendations of these dedicated and knowledgeable forum contributors to heart. I know they have helped me many times with questions and issues that have arisen using your software. It would be a great loss to your company to lose their support and input. Flexera, hope to read your considered response soon.

I would also like to offer a special big thanks to Maurice Joyce whose input and knowledge has gotten me and I'm sure many others though many issues and problems.

I don't know where this is going with Flexera and am seeking alternative options just in case.
Maurice, I remember one time you mentioned you were trying out a free software updater, Heimdal. What are your feelings about it? Anyone else used it?

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Here is why I still haven't abandoned PSI, choosing to struggle instead, again, with the sluggishness, unreliable behavior, and idiosyncratic interface of PSI 3:

1. Focus on security: I don't need an updater that tells me about updates to software with no security implications. I need a vulnerability checker that has a comprehensive inventory of security-related updates.

2. Automatic scanning: It's a big time saver and a source of comfort knowing that the software would warn me in a timely manner when a security patch is released. Having a taskbar icon that shows the status of the software is also very important.

3. Reliable support: Anyone can cobble together a decent updater. But who will maintain a back-end database of security updates? Whom can I trust to be around 5, 10 years from now?

4. Direct download links: A convenience, to be sure, but a very helpful convenience, especially when the updates are otherwise hard to find, or if the downloads are loaded with adware/crapware.

5. Rich configuration options. Sure, PSI 3 is way behind PSI 2 in this regard, but I can still do three very important things: 1) exclude drives (there is no point scanning attached storage on which I store, e.g., disk images, only to wake up an external drive for no good reason); 2) choose how updates are delivered; and 3) exclude individual files. Bad as the UI of PSI 3 is, at least these fundamental options are still present.

I looked at some of the alternatives discussed here, and also on review sites. It appears that none of them match PSI on all these fronts (even if they excel over PSI in some respects). So we need PSI.

And frankly I don't care if it is PSI 2 or PSI 3, so long as it works reliably. Presently, PSI 3 doesn't, which is why the decision to discontinue PSI 2 (which works) in favor of PSI 3 (which quite often doesn't) is both disturbing and perplexing.
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on 28th Mar, 2017 21:20, vttoth wrote:

3. Reliable support: Anyone can cobble together a decent updater. But who will maintain a back-end database of security updates? Whom can I trust to be around 5, 10 years from now?


I agree with a lot of what you said, but this one item is a bit of a joke. What support???? They don't reply to questions. They don't reply to problem reports. They don't fix their product (PSI 3) so it works. They have no support.

How sure are you that they really are even keeping the database up to date????
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Just thought I send a PM to Waqas Mahmood, just in case he should not get email notifications when we are posting here. Found that this forum does not support PM's. At least I did not find a way how to get this done. :(
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I too tried v3 a couple of years ago, and went back to v2, and have had no issue with v2.
So why sunset v3?

v2 is not broke, so why fix it? Is there a reason for the need to migrate to v3?

Thanks for being there all these years.
Cheers.
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Thanks all.

This may all go for helping us.

Let's see what happens.
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on 28th Mar, 2017 22:36, FRAC42 wrote:
Just thought I send a PM to Waqas Mahmood, just in case he should not get email notifications when we are posting here. Found that this forum does not support PM's. At least I did not find a way how to get this done. :(


My be you can try it on Facebook. There exists his account. I'm not a member at facebook...

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You can try a mail to: support@secunia.com and hope for a reply.

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on 29th Mar, 2017 10:59, Leendert Kip wrote:
You can try a mail to: support@secunia.com and hope for a reply.


This doesn't work for years...
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on 28th Mar, 2017 20:17, throkr. wrote:
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In other words : I rely on SUMo for all normal program updates. it is his job. PSI is a vulnerability checker,that's his job. But I certainly don't rely on him for "normal updates" because his database will only be updated if users ask for it. But if a Windows component is insecure for some reason, he will/should notice it. SUMo will not : it's not the meaning.
Therefore SUMo and PSI are excellent complements to me. That's why, at this present moment, they will, of course, NOT replace each other. Personally, if Flexera continues this way, drops down the amazing PSI version 2 without even improving version 3, I'm thinking about simply uninstalling the PSI from my computers.I could easily live without it BUT I will certainly never stop using SUMo.


I just send an E-Mail to contact@kcsoftwares.com to ask for expansion so that SUMo can deal with checking entries in the CVE-database.
If the developers are going to handle this SUMo really could become an excellent alternative for PSI 2.0.

I will keep you informed..

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on 29th Mar, 2017 11:40, klausus02 wrote:
I just send an E-Mail to contact@kcsoftwares.com to ask for expansion so that SUMo can deal with checking entries in the CVE-database.If the developers are going to handle this SUMo really could become an excellent alternative for PSI 2.0.
I will keep you informed..


Hallo Klaus,

Das ist wirklich eine sehr gute Idee ! Wer keine Fragen stellt, bekommt auch keine Antwort ... Let's wait and see, I'm curious ...

That said there are no developers behind KC Softwares : there is just one developer and I do respect that too, even more when I see that he also manages alone his various forums ! This guy really has resources.
And he has good future plans for SUMo; I consulted his roadmap yesterday evening ... and bought a lifetime license for SUMo PRO (I'm using the portable version, as for other softwares, if available and if it suits my needs).

Thank you ! :-)
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I tried to contact Flexera by phone in the UK but they were not able to help as the software is developed (I think) in Denmark. If you feel you want to call them I was given the number +45 7020 5144.

I also explained to the helpful person in the UK that people use software from companies at home, that could potentially be used in their corporate environments. I for one take the view that if a company is not interested in interacting with home users (who may be CEO's or CTO's at work) those users will take a *very* dim view of the company and could potentially decide to avoid using their products because of the bad experience they have had. I certainly applied that principal when I was doing that sort of job.

Perhaps the comments I made will filter back to the relevant people and provoke some action.

That said can I suggest everyone gets on the phone and has a conversation with their local Flexera company if they cannot call the number above.

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Two more days.

Let's see what happens.
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As I and others have reported, PSI 3.x doesn't seem to work. It hangs on the "Loading" Secunia splash screen. Ironically, once that opening has been abandoned, hovering over the PSI icon does show that there are some security updates needed. That fact suggests that the background engine is working fine, but the on-screen program is not.

When I uninstalled PSI 3.x (whatever version is currently available on your site), and reinstalled PSI 2.x (whatever was the last released version), PSI 2.x works fine (except for the warning about its end-of-life status.

If part of the reason for continuing to support the Secunia PSI program is to demonstrate the quality of Flexera Software, that endeavor has not been successful.

Lastly, I would suggest that there are many others experiencing this problem, given a review of the comments of others who have similarly "upgraded" to Version 3.x.
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on 29th Mar, 2017 15:09, throkr. wrote:
Hallo Klaus,

Das ist wirklich eine sehr gute Idee ! Wer keine Fragen stellt, bekommt auch keine Antwort ... Let's wait and see, I'm curious ...

That said there are no developers behind KC Softwares : there is just one developer and I do respect that too, even more when I see that he also manages alone his various forums ! This guy really has resources.
And he has good future plans for SUMo; I consulted his roadmap yesterday evening ... and bought a lifetime license for SUMo PRO (I'm using the portable version, as for other softwares, if available and if it suits my needs).

Thank you ! :-)
Thomas


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I just send an E-Mail to contact@kcsoftwares.com to ask for expansion so that SUMo can deal with checking entries in the CVE-database.
If the developers are going to handle this SUMo really could become an excellent alternative for PSI 2.0.

I will keep you informed..

Update
Today I got an answer from Kyle Katran (KC Softwares). He is very interessted in my suggestion
making SUMo able to flag vulnerability issues, also.

He asked where to get the related info. There exists the german Hasso-Plattner-Institut. They offer a
public API to their database managed by themselfs:

https://hpi.de/en/meinel/security-tech/security-an...

We will see whether Kyle Katran can use this informtion for further development of SUMo.

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on 30th Mar, 2017 13:59, klausus02 wrote:
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Update
Today I got an answer from Kyle Katran (KC Softwares). He is very interessted in my suggestion
making SUMo able to flag vulnerability issues, also.

He asked where to get the related info. There exists the german Hasso-Plattner-Institut. They offer a
public API to their database managed by themselfs:

https://hpi.de/en/meinel/security-tech/security-an...

We will see whether Kyle Katran can use this informtion for further development of SUMo.

- regards
Klaus


Thanks for the info.
Fast reaction from the developer (Kyle Katarn): good point !


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on 30th Mar, 2017 13:59, klausus02 wrote:
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Today I got an answer from Kyle Katran (KC Softwares). He is very interessted in my suggestion
making SUMo able to flag vulnerability issues, also.

He asked where to get the related info. There exists the german Hasso-Plattner-Institut. They offer a
public API to their database managed by themselfs:

https://hpi.de/en/meinel/security-tech/security-an...

We will see whether Kyle Katran can use this informtion for further development of SUMo.

- regards
Klaus

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I got a second response from Kyle Katran:

"... I'll give a look at their API and/or will try to find what PSI 2.0 was doing in order to come with a better product than PSI 3...."

Sounds optimistic..

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Klaus,
There is still a few days to go for Flexera to see common sense and reverse the decision to close PSI 2. After the deadline has passed without resolution and when I know whether I am being readmiited to hospital I will publish my preferred method as requested.

It Is a free service, there is nothing to download and users are notified by email when the VENDOR of the programmes you register has released an update. A download link from the vendor site iincluded in the email is then used to safely update your PC.

I will try to publish more details including how to set things up in early April to see if it is of any value to those requesting publication.

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how are you?

At present, there seems to exist no alternative option. It's not sure whether MIMo is going to be extended.
In my view your offer is the best. So I would like you to publish your method as you wrote.

All the best.

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@ALL

Since 15 minutes my PC is getting no response from PSI 2.0 anymore. It is a remarkable quick reaction of Flexera!
I wish they would have react this way to posts inside this thread.

By the way I can imagine that prospective buyers of professional Flexera products, e.g. CSI or VIM, are following
this thread. It could be likely that some buyers are deterred by Flexera and draw conclusions about Flexera's
professional customer service....

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@ALL

Since 15 minutes my PC is getting no response from PSI 2.0 anymore. It is a remarkable quick reaction of Flexera!
I wish they would have react this way to posts inside this thread.


Yes, same result here, also in Germany. PSI 2 just hangs on "connecting to Internet..."

I have now removed PSI2 and (re)installed PSI3 (installed it when it first appeared but quickly reverted to PSI2). Same old annoying interface; it hasn't been improved in the slightest AFAICT.

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I suggest each of us should get in contact with the technical press of one's favorite computer magazine
and inform them about what's going on here. Perpaps an editorial journalist has way more possibilities
to ask Flexera for statement.

On monday I'll talk to german magazine c't. Hope, that they'll help...
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Good luck guys. I've moved onto SUMo Pro which does most of what I want. Kyle Katran (KC Softwares) was very quick and responsive to my inquiry, and I trust will provide good support in the future.

Nothing stays the same in the tech world, particularly free software.
I've uninstalled PSI v2 and won't look back.

Cheers
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I also have uninstalled PSI 2. It was a nice program, but all good things come to an end I guess. PSI 3 is awful. I have moved to SUMo and FileHippo. I'll try them both and settle on the one I like best.

Good luck to all of you.
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I echoed the feelings of almost everyone else on this thread when I first heard that PSI 2.0 was going end-of-life. I had tried v.3.0 and, quite honestly, didn't care for it. I like having my program list showing when I open the program; don't like having to dig for it. And like many others, PSI 3.0 would display "loading" and then just hang...and hang, and hang, and hang. It did so on both my old XP machine and my new Win7 laptop. I couldn't get it to work. I tried 3.0 four or five times before giving it up as a bad job.

This past week, I downloaded and installed the latest PSI version. This time, it worked! I still prefer the v.2.0 interface, and if Flexera brings back 2.0, I'll happily downgrade. But...version 3.0.0.1105 is connecting to the internet, scanning my programs, and generating a report--exactly what I want. Once I fooled around with it, I was able to have it ignore some programs I don't plan to update, e.g. Foxit Reader.

All I can say is to give the new version a try, and in case you're wondering, I'm the worst person in the world when it comes to dealing with change, especially when it's change to a program I've liked and used for years.
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I started using Secunia with V.1, then V.2. and now V.3. Been using it since it came out. Like some have mentioned I suggest disabling the auto updating feature, selecting the detailed view and it is able to monitor my system, just like it has over the years. I can still use 'ignore updates to this program'(have an old version of Photoshop), find where the programs are located, most of what was in V.2 I can done in V.3. The biggest thing for me is that Secunia has provided me with years of service, and I'll continue using it.
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on 31st Mar, 2017 22:34, dickmorris wrote:
But...version 3.0.0.1105 is connecting to the internet, scanning my programs, and generating a report--exactly what I want.

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In my view simple flagging a programm as unsecure or to be updated because EOL is valueless without any reference given.
PSI 2.0 showed SA's or links to vendors confirming EOL. In case of "Microsoft .NET Framework 2.x" PSI 3.0 doesn't!!
Is it a special case of PSI 3.0 or a basic feature limitation of PSI 3.0 ?

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Does anyone know when PSI 3.0 does a full scan? Is it performed at every start? In PSI 2.0 the next time was shown.

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Klaus,
Despite all efforts, those who want to use PSI on a permanent basis will now have to be content with the extremely unpredictable PSI 3 and its server. I note you have made inroads with SUMo Support in asking for it to be upgraded to check for vulnerabilities like PSI. Some, like you, already use or have migrated to SUMo. A good choice given the circumstances. Sadly a few have uninstalled PSI which is not surprising given the appalling lack of interest and input from Flexera on valid comments made by users.
From the tone of many posts I am not sure too many will be interested in my preferred method of keeping myself secure but as promised I will do my research and publish it in due course.

Mister P
Nice to hear from you. A fairly long time ago I was indeed given a free licence to use and comment on the development of Heimdal. It was in its infancy at that stage and I enjoyed using it. To that end I purchased a second years licence which I considered at the time to be expensive. A new version was released which I did not like. It basically wanted to automate everything and I did not feel I understood or had full control on what it was allegedly doing. After more enhancements it started to interfere with my mainstream security suite so I dumped it. I have not used it for over a year but from my experience it I would not recommend it as a replacement for PSI . Customer service was superb and I am sure they would be delighted to answer any questions from potential users.
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on 1st Apr, 2017 15:55, Maurice Joyce wrote:
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From the tone of many posts I am not sure too many will be interested in my preferred method of keeping myself secure but as promised I will do my research and publish it in due course.

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Maurice,

I wouldn't say that there is little interest, only. I can imagine that your offer was simply overlooked use of the hot discussions.
Anyway, I would appreciate your experiences. I havn't migrated to SUMo, yet. I'm waitung for a comfirmation, that Kyle Katran is going
to expand the features of SUMo to connect with vulnerabiliy databases.

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Does anyone know when PSI 3.0 does a full scan? Is it performed at every start? In PSI 2.0 the next time was shown.


Once a full scan has been made, the next one is automatically scheduled to happen 7 days later, same time.
See here : https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftware.com/commun...


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on 1st Apr, 2017 14:55, klausus02 wrote:

In my view simple flagging a programm as unsecure or to be updated because EOL is valueless without any reference given.
PSI 2.0 showed SA's or links to vendors confirming EOL. In case of "Microsoft .NET Framework 2.x" PSI 3.0 doesn't!!
Is it a special case of PSI 3.0 or a basic feature limitation of PSI 3.0 ?

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@ALL
Since weekend I'm testing this "recommended PSI 3.0".
Does anyone have information about whether PSI 3.0 will generally show references
(e.g. SA or CVE-entries or other helpful vendor-links) for programs flagged as unsecure (like PSI 2.0 did) ?

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That was a very ungraceful end of PSI 2.0. Since PSI 3.0 is so bad I am testing alternatives.

I am now using SUMo Software Updater (as recommended earlier in this thread). I find it very similar to PSI 2.0 in the program list appearance. It is an on demand update checker, but you can make it run at startup. It finds many more out-of-date programs than PSI found. It is not clear if all these are security related or just minor updates. SUMo does distinguish between MAJOR and Minor importance of updates.

So far I like what I see with SUMo.

File Hippo shows available updates to the programs it keeps in its archives (which is extensive), but falls way short of all the programs found by SUMo. However, I use File Hippo update checker at least once a week, as I did while using PSI 2.0.

I really appreciate all the ideas presented in this Forum.
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on 3rd Apr, 2017 17:09, Zorkoff wrote:

It is not clear if all these are security related or just minor updates.


@Zorkoff
No, SUMo doesn't deal with security related updates, yet.
But the author is investigating the possibility to do this..

See above:

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I got a second response from Kyle Katran:

"... I'll give a look at their API and/or will try to find what PSI 2.0 was doing in order to come with a better product than PSI 3...."

Sounds optimistic..


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Anyone here use Patch My PC?

https://patchmypc.net/

I've been it using alongside Secunia for several years now, and I depend on it quite often. As a matter of fact, I've rarely used Secunia's (2.0) auto-updater anymore unless Secunia alerts me to an insecure file that needs removing.

I sometimes use File Hippo's updater too.
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I'm using PSI 3 but only set to warn me when there are security updates which I install manually via the internal updater. I also use the Filehippo updater. Didn't hear about Patch my PC and will try it. Thanks for the info.

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on 4th Apr, 2017 08:23, Leendert Kip wrote:
I'm using PSI 3 but only set to warn me when there are security updates which I install manually via the internal updater.

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@Leendert Kip
Are you sure that PSI 3.0 is flagging programs only when there exists a security releated issue?
Can you please give an example?
In contrast to PSI 2.0 where references (e.g. SAs) were given, I haven't seen this in PSI 3.0.
In my view PSI 3.0 simply shows that new version exist. But a new version doesn't mean inevitably
that the previous version was unsecure.

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@Klaus02 PSI is a vulnerability checker and warns for security related issues only, not for normal updates. The last warnings were last week for Microsoft Framework v. 2.0. I worked long ago with v. 2 but can't remember how it worked. I switched to v.3 since it's available, it works fine for me and I keep it.

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@Leendert Kip
This Framework v. 2.0 case is exactly because I'm asking: until today I couldn't find any
security related references.

You may have a look here:
https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftware.com/commun...

And YES, PSI 2.0 showed references to Secunia Advisories.
Unfortunately, I don't have an example to test this with PSI 3.0.
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I have found an older version of Foxit Reader in one of my backups: FoxitReader 7.3.4.311 from 13.03.2017.
After installing this old and unsecure version PSI 3.0 had flagged Foxit, but without any reference to
Secunia Advisory SA71232 (shown by PSI 2.0 in the past). In my view this proves that PSI 3.0 simply flags
programs only for which updates exists. And this has nothing to do with security issues!

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@Klaus02 I have read the thread you mention and I have this EOL situation. I'm not prepared to try to uninstall Framework because I don't know it's needed for other applications. For the time being I have set it to ignore updates. You are right. PSI 3 doesn't give a reference to Secunia advisories. For me not important because I don't understand that info. The info that there is a security update is the only I need. I don't agree with your conclusion that v.3 'simply' flags for updates. You can be very sure that PSI is designed as a vulnerability checker and that it never flags for normal updates. Just try it out for some time and you will see that's how it works.


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Can we assume that you actually meant to say something at last? We all hope for the best.

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on 4th Apr, 2017 10:32, Leendert Kip wrote:
...I have this EOL situation. I'm not prepared to try to uninstall Framework because I don't know it's needed for other applications. For the time being I have set it to ignore updates. You are right. PSI 3 doesn't give a reference to Secunia advisories. For me not important because I don't understand that info. The info that there is a security update is the only I need.

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In case of FoxitReader you could have found this explanation for SA71232:
https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftware.com/adviso...

Well, do you remember the MSXML 4 saga Maurice Joyce mentioned in this thread (3rd Apr, 2017 23:32):
https://secuniaresearch.flexerasoftware.com/commun...

If PSI isn't able to give some references the flag of a program may be very difficult to estimate in relation to your own situation.
Sometimes it will take hours of research...

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on 4th Apr, 2017 10:32, Leendert Kip wrote:

I don't agree with your conclusion that v.3 'simply' flags for updates. You can be very sure that PSI is designed as a vulnerability checker and that it never flags for normal updates.


Sure, I can live with your opinion. But without any reference I have to trust and simply believe that PSI does everything right
and free of errors. My own experiences with PSI don't allow this.

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Dear PSI users,

PSI 2.x and earlier versions reached EOL on 31 March, as previously announced.
We see the discussions in the forum as a measure of how loyal PSI fans have become over the years.
We are continuing to read the comments as they provide us valuable insight regarding your favorite features that you would like to see added to 3.0.
For as much as we would like to answer to you all individually, we cannot address all the questions and comments at once, but we would like to provide you with some answers to the main topics being raised:

About PSI 3 performance issues - We believe that most users are no longer experiencing performance issues with PSI 3, but we would appreciate your feedback if you are still encountering issues.

About the shutdown of PSI 2.x and earlier versions - Secunia introduced PSI 3 as the standard version of PSI with its release in 2012.
While we have left PSI 2 active since then, it has not been supported with any enhancements or engineering over the last 5 years.
Version 2 and older were hosted on servers which reached EOL at the end of March 31, 2017, which drove the need to terminate the PSI 2.0 service.

Development of PSI - Our product management team is working on a plan to further develop PSI. We will keep you posted.

About the forum - We do monitor the forum, but we count on the users to help each other with answering questions and with common issues.
We are grateful for the users who are active and engaged in the forum and help other users with constructive discussions.

If you were a PSI 2 user, and have not moved to PSI 3 due to past issues you experienced, or if you just have not tried it, we suggest that you give it another go.
We received a ton of feedback, through the forum, and directly through emails. We respect all our users and appreciate their feedback. Negative or positive.
We will keep you informed of developments.

Thank you,
On behalf of Product Management, led by Ken Hilker

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