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milesr I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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I got tired of being reminded that I have an insecure browser. I uninstalled IE-8, which left IE-7, which was not secure, either. And the next time I had Microsoft updates to install, I did and got IE-8 back.

Next I did some research on browsers and downloaded Firefox, which is secure. I now have both browsers on my computer and I wonder if there is something more that I should do.

Is there a way to inactivate IE-8?

Even if there is, would I want to inactivate IE-8?

Would creating an ignore rule for IE-8 leave a contingent risk for my computer?


Pookey RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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If you have Windows XP or Windows Vista, IE is ingrained in the OS and CANNOT be removed. There are utilities that let you remove it but i advise against this as they can cause unwanted side-effects. For example, you need IE for MSN Messenger, Office Web Components and it is part of the Desktop.

If you REALLY want to get rid of it, download nLite and create a new XP or Vista disc that has IE removed. This will remove all of IE except what is required for Windows to function. However you need to reinstall windows to achieve this, so it is not the ideal solution.

The best course of action is to set Firefox to the Default Browser, Update to IE8 and Install all Security Patches (by the way, the Secunia Advisory for IE is out-of-date). If you download something like Net Limiter, you will be able to block all IE traffic so there is no chance of IE being used maliciously.
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milesr RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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on 20th Aug, 2009 03:01, Pookey wrote:
If you have Windows XP or Windows Vista, IE is ingrained in the OS and CANNOT be removed. There are utilities that let you remove it but i advise against this as they can cause unwanted side-effects. For example, you need IE for MSN Messenger, Office Web Components and it is part of the Desktop.

If you REALLY want to get rid of it, download nLite and create a new XP or Vista disc that has IE removed. This will remove all of IE except what is required for Windows to function. However you need to reinstall windows to achieve this, so it is not the ideal solution.

The best course of action is to set Firefox to the Default Browser, Update to IE8 and Install all Security Patches (by the way, the Secunia Advisory for IE is out-of-date). If you download something like Net Limiter, you will be able to block all IE traffic so there is no chance of IE being used maliciously.

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milesr RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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My operating system is Vista Home Premium, so I will limit my action to suggestions in your third paragraph.

1. Fire Fox is set as my default browser.

2. Microsoft updates are automatically installed and I will continue to install IE8 updates. Another issue I have is with two other Microsoft programs that are deemed insecure. The solution for each is supposed to be at Microsoft Update, but there are no uninstalled Microsoft updates available.

3. I never heard of Net Limiter, but it sounds like something I can use.

Thank you for your help.

milesr
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Pookey RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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What are the other Microsoft Updates that it thinks you are missing?
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milesr RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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One program is listed as MICROSOFT OFFICE POWER POINT VIEWER 2003 and the other program is listed as MICROSOFT CORE SERVICES (MSXML) 6.x.

The Secunia narrative applying to each program mentions something about backup locations, an area where I need added education. Also, I need my Power Point each week.

I plan to start new threads about each program. That will enable me to keep things simple.

Thank you,

milesr

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Pookey RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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Please Check the MSXML Core Services one. If the exe is in C:\Program Files\ or C:\Windows\ you need to update it as it contains several recent security bugs. If the exe is located in somewhere like C:\Temp or D:\Backup or anything like that then you can ignore it.
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milesr RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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Pookey RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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Seeing as you use Firefox (I do and i love it) there is a nifty little add-on called "IE-Tab". Go to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/141... to download it.

What it does is it lets you use Firefox to browse the web, but if you really need to use IE, for example to update Windows or download a Microsoft Product, it will still use Firefox, but use the IE Engine to display the Page. This way, only the bits of IE that are essential for that page are loaded.

What you can also do, if you don't use IE very much, is to do this:

1) Open IE
2) Go to Tools -> Internet Options (its down the bottom)
3) Click on the Security Tab
4) For each of the "Zones" (Internet, Local Intranet, Trusted, etc.) Set it to the Highest Level
5) Click on the Privacy Tab
6) Set it to High

This will stop alot of the security holes in IE. The disadvantage is that it is a pain in the but if you use IE alot as many things will get turned off. The advantage is that if anything nasty tries to run, it wont be able to, or if it is able, it will need to ask your permission to execute.
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Slamgeden RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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on 25th Aug, 2009 07:12, Pookey wrote:
Seeing as you use Firefox (I do and i love it) there is a nifty little add-on called "IE-Tab". Go to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/141... to download it.

What it does is it lets you use Firefox to browse the web, but if you really need to use IE, for example to update Windows or download a Microsoft Product, it will still use Firefox, but use the IE Engine to display the Page. This way, only the bits of IE that are essential for that page are loaded.

What you can also do, if you don't use IE very much, is to do this:

1) Open IE
2) Go to Tools -> Internet Options (its down the bottom)
3) Click on the Security Tab
4) For each of the "Zones" (Internet, Local Intranet, Trusted, etc.) Set it to the Highest Level
5) Click on the Privacy Tab
6) Set it to High

This will stop alot of the security holes in IE. The disadvantage is that it is a pain in the but if you use IE alot as many things will get turned off. The advantage is that if anything nasty tries to run, it wont be able to, or if it is able, it will need to ask your permission to execute.


I second the IE-Tab suggestion. It works well, and removes much of the need to keep IE close.
Just keep in mind that IE-Tab has every insecurity of IE, because it IS IE.

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whatnow RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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I agree with the IE Tab I only use it when I absolutely have to am I trust the site to be save. Plus I trust my firewall and anti-virus programs. If you are carefully and make an attempt to surf safe. You should not have a problem surfing. If you quit using every program because it shows an insecure you will not be able to use the internet.
Using PSI and keeping patches up to date puts you way ahead of most internet users. Be careful use firewalls and anti-virus but don't fear the internet enjoy using it.
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csi RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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Last edited on 22nd Nov, 2009 14:26
on 25th Aug, 2009 07:12, Pookey wrote:
1) Open IE
2) Go to Tools -> Internet Options (its down the bottom)
3) Click on the Security Tab
4) For each of the "Zones" (Internet, Local Intranet, Trusted, etc.) Set it to the Highest Level
5) Click on the Privacy Tab
6) Set it to High

This is a very intelligent tipp, often forgotten, thank you very much! :)

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michaelsalis RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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Last edited on 22nd Nov, 2009 22:36
Hi

The IE8 problem is a long standing one which rumour has it either has been or will be sorted soon.

However, saying that so long as you have a good firewall, anti virus and anti everything else software on your computer, don't visit dogdy websites and are careful opening email there is not much of a problem.

If you are not already aware pctools do a great free program called Threatfire and Iobit a program called Iobit Security 360, both you can upgrade but you may not think it worth doing so. They can be safely used with your existing anti virus program.

Have a look at the reviews from CNET

http://download.cnet.com/IObit-Security-360/3000-8...

http://download.cnet.com/ThreatFire-AntiVirus-Free...

Michael

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I tried the hardest not to get IE-8 on my desktop with the updates because I had a hard time with it on my laptop. So I too started using firefox (on my laptop) but got insecure warnings on that eventually. So finally I downloaded Chrome, which I love, unfortunately not too many websites love it as much as I do. Anywho somehow IE8 snuck in in an update and now it shows as unstable/insecure....I wonder why Microsoft hasn't put out a cure (patch) yet? It's been long enough, what are they doing with all their money-not using it on their customers it seems. I guess we just gotta wait...or download Opera...he heh.

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Great advice, Thanks!

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Pookey RE: I downloaded Firefox, what should I do with IE-8?
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Even though it is listed as insecure, the exploit may be very minor but require a large outlay in parsonnel to fix it. FOr example, if the exploit is safe when a user has a firewall, which Windows itself has by default and the estimated cost to fix the exploit is $5 million in salaries for the coders needing to fix and test the bug then it would seem like a waste of money on Microsoft's part.
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on 19th Aug, 2009 22:04, milesr wrote:
I got tired of being reminded that I have an insecure browser. I uninstalled IE-8, which left IE-7, which was not secure, either. And the next time I had Microsoft updates to install, I did and got IE-8 back.

Next I did some research on browsers and downloaded Firefox, which is secure. I now have both browsers on my computer and I wonder if there is something more that I should do.

Is there a way to inactivate IE-8?

Even if there is, would I want to inactivate IE-8?

Would creating an ignore rule for IE-8 leave a contingent risk for my computer?


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on 19th Aug, 2009 22:04, milesr wrote:
I got tired of being reminded that I have an insecure browser. I uninstalled IE-8, which left IE-7, which was not secure, either. And the next time I had Microsoft updates to install, I did and got IE-8 back.

Next I did some research on browsers and downloaded Firefox, which is secure. I now have both browsers on my computer and I wonder if there is something more that I should do.

Is there a way to inactivate IE-8?

Even if there is, would I want to inactivate IE-8?

Would creating an ignore rule for IE-8 leave a contingent risk for my computer?


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on 19th Aug, 2009 22:04, milesr wrote:
I got tired of being reminded that I have an insecure browser. I uninstalled IE-8, which left IE-7, which was not secure, either. And the next time I had Microsoft updates to install, I did and got IE-8 back.

Next I did some research on browsers and downloaded Firefox, which is secure. I now have both browsers on my computer and I wonder if there is something more that I should do.

Is there a way to inactivate IE-8?

Even if there is, would I want to inactivate IE-8?

Would creating an ignore rule for IE-8 leave a contingent risk for my computer?


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